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I'm upset that out of the two Dreamworks movies that came out this year, they went with Boss Baby over Captain Underpants. The CU movie clearly had so much creativity and love put into it, not to mention it was much more well received. Honestly, it was my favorite movie that came out last year. It was so fucking great to see a theatrical animated movie so unapologetically wacky and cartoony, mixing a bunch of different styles together and staying so true and respectful to the source material (no doubt it helped that Dreamworks themselves weren't the ones who designed and animated it). There's none of that souless, corporate/Hollywood, cash-grab stink that plagues so many other Dreamworks movies, like Boss Baby. Plus, how amazing would it have been to have something as absurd as Captain Underpants be nominated for an Oscar in the first place?

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9 hours ago, kingplatypus said:

I'm upset that out of the two Dreamworks movies that came out this year, they went with Boss Baby over Captain Underpants. The CU movie clearly had so much creativity and love put into it, not to mention it was much more well received. Honestly, it was my favorite movie that came out last year. It was so fucking great to see a theatrical animated movie so unapologetically wacky and cartoony, mixing a bunch of different styles together and staying so true and respectful to the source material (no doubt it helped that Dreamworks themselves weren't the ones who designed and animated it). There's none of that souless, corporate/Hollywood, cash-grab stink that plagues so many other Dreamworks movies, like Boss Baby. Plus, how amazing would it have been to have something as absurd as Captain Underpants be nominated for an Oscar in the first place?

I'm pretty sure that was the issue. The committee didn't want to nominate a movie called "Captain Underpants" because obviously that's too undignified for the Oscars.

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I mean, a movie called 'Boss Baby' of all things isn't THAT much more dignified lol

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Reminder that this film was also nominated for Best Animated Feature. 

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On 1/23/2018 at 9:45 PM, The Pope said:

Also outside of Coco and that 2D movie, the nominees for animated film are utterly laughable. "Academy-Award Winner The Boss Baby".

My thought exactly. Part of me thinks the category was only created to prevent another Beauty and the Beast scenario.

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I understand the need for a best animated feature category, but I think The Academy is unfairly using the designation as a ghetto from which they pluck out whatever it was Disney or Pixar released during the year. 

At least in my eyes, given what is possible in a live action film and what is possible in an animated film, and what is impossible in each, and accounting for how different the production of each type of film is, I think that each has its own distinct context for gauging its technical or artistic achievement. If Loving Vincent was live-action, for example, it'd just be another biopic, but as an animated film in which each frame is a painstakingly made painting, it's a virtually unprecedented work of animation. I honestly hope that it gets the win over Coco just for that—modern CGI animation continues to dazzle and get better, but fuck, something like Loving Vincent blows my mind if I think about it for more than five seconds. I'd hope that if it got the award, it'd inspire more diversity in the craft and encourage more animators or studios to take bold risks with the medium and do new, spectacular things. I think that sentiment ought to apply to each of the Academy's categories.

It's just a shame, because animation in America generally is made for children, so it's children's movies that get made and become popular, so the reputation of animation being juvenile is reinforced...so it's children's movies like Boss Baby that get nominated for academy awards.

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I dunno, I respect the shit out of Loving Vincent, but Coco was absolutely magnificent. And this is coming from a guy who would much prefer animated movies to have a wider range of maturity levels.

But I definitely agree that the Best Animated Picture category is a ghetto that needs looking into; it's not like we see "Best Picture With Some CG Dragons In It" or "Best Picture That Took Place In World War II"; it's so goddamn arbitrary, and it only goes to further create a divide in peoples' minds where animated movies aren't "real" movies.

I'll say this though, if "Remember Me" from Coco loses to "This is Me" from The Greatest Showman like it did at the Golden Globes, then just fuck everything.

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I liked Coco, but I have to say I'm growing tired of movies that go for inoffensive mass appeal. Your blockbusters and the like. But that's probably my own fault for not seeking out more unique films.

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MovieBob has made this point, but it's okay for movies like Moana and Coco to have standard stories that mass audiences won't have grievances because that helps to normalize Polynesian and Mexican cultures. If they were too weird, nobody would see them. For lack of a better term, they're being social justice warriors, but in a good way; they're helping other cultures feel more normal rather than them being "others".

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I just wanna add to my earlier comments: while I think innovation is one of the most important qualities for judging a film's merit, it should never be the only thing used to judge its merit, otherwise you end up with critics fawning over Boyhood, the same incredibly bland white-American-boy-coming-of-age-story that we've seen dozens of times and many times better, just because it took twelve years to make.

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If they were too weird, nobody would see them. For lack of a better term, they're being social justice warriors, but in a good way; they're helping other cultures feel more normal rather than them being "others".

While I agree with what you say, I feel like this mass-market hesitance to support the "weird" films from other cultures is what leads to some of this prevailing blandness. At its worst, it can reek of assimilationist ideology—I'm taking you in good faith, Pope, but your use of the word "normal" is one that has a lot of baggage; there's a stench to the at-large excision of the weird from less-represented cultures so that they may be safely marketable to predominantly white, American audiences.

It's naive to expect any big studio to throw real money at promoting, let alone making, weird films, but I want to see the weird—I want to see the weird, deeply personal, boldly unapologetic stories that filmmakers from other cultures can tell, because without them, we get a watered-down portrayal that, more often than not, may be depicting a less-represented culture but is made by the same old suits instead of actual creators from that culture. And in our current situation, marginalized creators that do get to make mainstream work face the unfair burden of needing to represent the entire experience (and market value) of their identity. It's a squealing rat king of power dynamics and other bullshit, though, one that will probably never be dismantled underneath the current hegemony.

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Well, the other big nominee that year had critics fawning over it just because it looked like it was shot in a single take. (I like both films, for the record.)

If anyone's curious, the highest-ranked Best Picture winners on imdb are the first two Godfather films. That's not very surprising. I still think Forrest Gump is far too high, though.

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1 hour ago, Nozdordomu said:

Well, the other big nominee that year had critics fawning over it just because it looked like it was shot in a single take. (I like both films, for the record.)

If anyone's curious, the highest-ranked Best Picture winners on imdb are the first two Godfather films. That's not very surprising. I still think Forrest Gump is far too high, though.

IMDb and Letterboxd are both skewed by intolerable Film Bros™ so i take all of their "highest rated" films with a grain of salt. One of the top-rated films on IMDb is The Dark Knight, last I checked, because duuuuude jokerrr batmannnnn

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Wow, you really don't like The Dark Knight, lol. I wouldn't call it a bad film by any means, though it's not my favorite one by Chris Nolan. At least it'll never be as overrated as Interstellar.

A lot of people tell me I shouldn't care about the Oscars, and I probably shouldn't, but I end up doing it anyway. It would be one thing if you could write them off as the expensive opinions of fusty, out-of-touch critics, but you don't really have that luxury. Like Lindsay pointed out, there are barely any critics in the Academy at all. Most of the members are actors, producers, and other Hollywood bigwigs - you know, the people who get to say which movies get made, distributed, and promoted. So yeah, it does kind of matter what these people decide is the best film of any given year, even though we'd all like to say it doesn't.

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1 hour ago, Nozdordomu said:

Wow, you really don't like The Dark Knight, lol. I wouldn't call it a bad film by any means, though it's not my favorite one by Chris Nolan. At least it'll never be as overrated as Interstellar.

I mean, it's an okay movie! I like it. I think it's fine. But it's one of those canonized douchebag films alongside Scarface, The Wolf of Wall Street, Fight Club, and others where regardless of the film's actual quality, I get bad vibes from anyone who calls it their favorite movie.

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I think I like The Dark Knight Rises better, anyway. Movies with Tom Hardy making a funny voice are good.

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I've said this before, but I find The Dark Knight to be very overrated, except the scenes with the Joker, because every single minute he's on screen is cinematic gold. I really couldn't care less about how Batman needs to "endur mastuh weyn" or Harvey Dent not thinking life is FAAAAAAAAAAIR, but man, Ledger is just a fucking tour de force and he earned that oscar.

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37 minutes ago, SharkhamAsylum said:

I mean, it's an okay movie! I like it. I think it's fine. But it's one of those canonized douchebag films alongside Scarface, The Wolf of Wall Street, Fight Club, and others where regardless of the film's actual quality, I get bad vibes from anyone who calls it their favorite movie.

It's incredible how many people saw The Wolf of Wall Street and thought, "Wow, I wanna be just like Leo!"

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7 hours ago, Robotic said:

It's incredible how many people saw The Wolf of Wall Street and thought, "Wow, I wanna be just like Leo!"

i lived with two business majors who idolized Jordan Belfort in my sophmore year. they were the worst people i've ever met.

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37 minutes ago, SharkhamAsylum said:

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I want to say this exact thing about Fight Club but I am admittedly wholly unfamiliar with Chuck Palahniuk's political and philosophical beliefs so I actually have no idea how he wants his story to be interpreted. I don't really like thinking about that movie.

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In one of Lindsay or Bob's videos (I forget which), they had a bit on deconstructions and mentioned how some have their cake and eat it too, like Wolf of Wall Street. "Man, Leo sure is a scummy character! But isn't he kinda fuuuun?"

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