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Emperor Ing

Contra 4, especially in its gushing emulation and adulation of Contra 1, felt like a "that's so 80s" approach to Contra. Like lol, remember all those cuh-razy aliens from Contra, man? It was a game without ambition. Those big bosses? They don't do anything! The weapons? Ignoring all the advancements to the controls made in Hard Corps.

Hell, Hard Corps Uprising wasn't really a Contra game, but at least its heart was in the right place. I can't really say the same for Contra 4. And of the 2 16bit contras, I'd much rather play Hard Corps. Hell, I'd rather play the N64 Contra.

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Intelligent Systems could make a Metroid, though I think the only metroid they had direct control over was Fusion, which worries me because if they were to do another 2D Metroid they might just import all the annoying things over from Fusion (unskippable cutscenes, locked doors, worthless powerups, etc).

I might be wrong though. I think it's funny how Fusion's bloated plot is so unwieldy, no one has attempted to make a game that takes place after it for going on a decade now. If that's not a testament to wonky writing, I don't know what is.

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Metroid Blast was set up as a more action-based game, but the controls themselves worked really well. If someone built a more Metroidy experience around that control scheme then I'd probably love it. Hell, why didn't Other M use that control scheme? It would've worked way better for the game than holding the remote sideways of all things.

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Contra 4's biggest problem was that it had to many callbacks to 1 and especially 3 and forgot that the horizontal levels were the worst thing ever in Contra 1 while forgetting that Hard Corps exists.

While I agree that contra 1 horizontal levels were the worst part, I feel like they really improved them in 4 and they're actually fun for once.

I do agree about the callbacks. I wish it had some original material than just imitating Contra 1-3 again. Not a bad game but in fact its a great game but I feel like they could've done much more with it.

Its also sad that it is the last "real" contra game and that was 3-4 years ago(unless its much older than i remembered). There's that spiritual sequel Uprising made by the Guilty Gear guys which was pretty good but again not a real contra game and probably should've been an original IP or something.

Why the hell is Konami forgetting that Contra exist nowadays?

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Emperor Ing

Because:

A) Konami is headed now by Hideo Kojima

B) Konami is hemorrhaging money (AFAIK), which might be related to A

C) It only sees a few key franchises as its breadwinners, paying for its bloated graphics spending

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SBB_GameMaster

That reminds me, Konami has owned Hudson for a while now......how's about a new Bomberman game? Please Konami? Do it for me.

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SBB_GameMaster

Let me rephrase that:

Konami, please let the Hudson employees you now own make a new Bomberman game, but try not to have any direct involvement yourselves.

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Didn't Intelligent Systems also program the original Metroid? They have the most experience handling the series besides Retro and Nintendo themselves, so I think they would be good for it.

Also adding to something that was said last page the mode 7 stuff in Contra 3 is so horribly shoehorned it's funny. Konami got carried away in trying to make it look as flashy and as 16-BIT as possible and forgot to make the actual Mode 7 levels good, same thing with Castlevania IV, Mode 7 added absolutely nothing to the experience in that game, seriously. The rotating rooms and how some of the bosses spun into oblivion was all just silly.

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Emperor Ing

Metroid had been mainly handled and created by R&D1, which was Nintendo's crack force of programmers and designers. They sadly don't exist anymore, as after Zero Mission (which was one of the last games made by R&D1) they were absorbed into other development studios, such as Nintendo SPD.

And I was mistaken, as R&D1 in fact handled the development of Metroid Fusion and Metroid: Zero Mission. The games have some unfortunate flaws, but at least they play very well.

Also: Intelligent Systems IS Nintendo. Just as R&D1 is Nintendo. They are (or one was) both first-party studios.

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Yes, I know. I just think they would do a good job, no mention of them being a third party.

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As much flak as I give the series, I don't think I really outright hate any of them, including the original Metroid. I just find them difficult to engage myself in playing.

Though I will admit that Metroid NES does look less appealing without that one mod that changes the sprites and adds the minimap.

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Emperor Ing

Am I alone in hating the original Metroid?

No, but that multiple people hate Metroid on the NES doesn't make it any less heinous.

Metroid has all the hallmarks of being one of those excellent, tightly-designed early Nintendo games - unlike the remake, Zero Mission, there's no fluff or filler - it's a straight-forward non-linear world to explore (because once you get the bombs and some missiles you more or less have access to the entire map).

The original trilogy is very good - if not superb - in letting you explore the game-worlds in your own fashion, and giving you every tool necessary to succeed without tacking on pointless stuff. For that reason alone they are some of the best games ever.

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I like the Prime trilogy more than the originals. It provides the same nonlinear experience but ramps up the atmosphere. Granted it's a much slower game, but all the better to take in the surroundings.

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I think the original Metroid has a horrible backwards difficulty curve. Your first beam can't shoot farther than your face, and you only get 30 health right out of the gate. You can't get into a rhythm of exploring since you keep dying all the time (at least I did, the first couple of steps were actually a bit excruciating, you're so weak against everything until you get a few energy tanks and and the Varia suit) by the time you have enough health to actually do things and progress, the game becomes easier, but once you get the Screwattack... hoo-boy... the game becomes a walk in the park. Nothing can touch you, simple as that. It doesn't help that Ridley is easy as shit while Kraid can be really tough even though you face Ridley later on, so you'd think he would be more difficult, but no. It's the same thing with Kid Icarus, I swear. you have little to no health right out of the gate and your weapon is severely limited, the first 3 stages or so are atrocious but once you get more upgrades, the game snowballs into being a cakewalk. It was so easy I got the best ending on my first try, I spent like 2 hours on the first 3 levels but it was worth 'dat kiss from Palutena.

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I prefer the Metroid Prime series than the original Metroid games. The hard difficultly, unique items like the different kinds of Balls and Beam powerups, and the puzzle solving gameplay is what I like about the Prime series. Nice atmosphere in the worlds too.

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I'm not a big fan of Metroid 1, it's groundbreaking and all but it's just not fun to play for the most part. I haven't played through II all the way, all I know is that it really should've had a dang map by then because everything looks even more similar due to the lack of color and detail. that and most of the sound effects are horrifying. KSSHKKSSSHK KSSSHK KSSSHK YOURE DEAD. Now with Super it's really one of the most perfectly crafted games ever, it's one of my top favorites.

I've only played the first Prime but it's not really my cup of tea, I enjoyed it but I prefer 2D Metroid. That doesn't mean I don't see how brilliantly designed it is, it's probably the most solid 2D to 3D transition in any game series. I really need to play Prime 2 and 3.

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I think all the Metroid Prime games are excellent. The thrid one was a bit too easy at times but all of them have some amazing atmosphere. Not too big on earlier Metroid games but I do love Super Metroid and I thought Fusion was good.

I also played Metroid Prime 2 today for the first time since 2005 to see if I could finally beat the Boost Guardian on Hard mode. Died a few times while figuring out what to do, but I beat him eventually. Definitely one of the harder boss fights in a Metroid game.

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If we get a new Metroid, I want it to be either 2D like the old ones or in first person like Metroid Prime, because that's what I expect from Metroid. Also, after Other M I think the series needs to go back to what it does best.

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