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I dunno, I totally get a different vibe from 3D Land than I do from NSMB.

To me, 3D Land feels like the natural progression from the 2D games to 3D, in both form and function. They're short, linear levels, which is what the 2D games did. Visually, it feels very much like a 2D Mario put into the third dimension.

With NSMB, it feels like someone in modern times attempting to emulate what a 2D game would look like in 3D, as opposed to actually doing it. It feels far more fakey, forced, and artificial.

Besides, 3D Land's cartooniness comes off as natural, whereas NSMB has to use Bros. and dancing Koopas that dance along with the Bros. like they're something to be praised and oh my fucking god I hate that so much you have no goddamned idea

The fact that I was humming 3D Land's soundtrack while playing as opposed to attempting to gouge out my ear canal with a wooden spoon certainly gives points in its favor. It actually sounded like how old Mario games would sound, as opposed to needing stupid fucking noises to make it sound "retro". Because, you know, all of the classic games had Bros. peppered in, right? Right.

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What I don't like about 3D Land is mostly how little it has to offer. The graphics are pretty and better than the NSMB games, but the gameplay is just samey, the levels aren't designed in a way that makes me want to replay them, nor are they lengthy, and those neat little optical illusion puzzles? More of those please. Sure, it attempted to be different than the other 3D games, but it needed to deliver more than what it did. I kinda like to think of it as a tech demo for the 3D.

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Well, the second half (i.e. the real meat of the game) had some challenging levels, so there's that.

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Yeah, but about half of them were just the normal levels with cosmic clones or 30 second time limits.

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It's definitely better than the NSMB games out so far, but it suffers the same fundamental problems. Very lacking in originality, and giving out way too many lives so that even if the levels are difficult, it doesn't matter.

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The lives system has been obsolete since the games have been on consoles as opposed to arcades (i.e. since the first Super Mario Bros.), yet it remains because Nintendo is afraid of change. So really, it doesn't matter how many lives a game throws at you, because there's really no point unless you're playing in an arcade with a finite game time limit.

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I sort of agree with Whelt, it's a bad 3D series game when it's put up against SMG 1 and 2, and even Sunshine and 64 to a degree, but on it's own, it's a pretty good game. And leagues better than the NSMB games. I just wish, like Random said, that it had more to offer. No extra game modes or anything. It's just the main game, then you're done. Even that bonus world is kind of boring.

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Except it does matter, because the games are still designed to use lives, they just don't.

Mario 64 and Sunshine really didn't use lives, they were just pointless tokens, because you literally lost nothing more from a game over than you did for losing one life. But those games were designed differently, so in the end it didn't matter. The challenge comes from other aspects than trying not to die. The NSMB games and 3D Land are designed like old Mario games, where your goal is to go straight through a level without dying, and you should lose your progress if you get a game over. But you have so many lives that it just won't happen.

It's kind of like... taking a survival horror game, changing nothing about it except now you get tons of ammo instead of a limited amount. It doesn't make the levels or enemies themselves any easier, but it kind of cheapens the game because there's no real risk of running out.

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3D Land certainly is an interesting experiment of 2D and 3D Mario and it's probably the most "different" Mario game since Galaxy, if only for being placed in an awkward point between dimensions. but other than the gameplay not really knowing what it is, it still lacks it's own distinct style and overall feel. I don't really like the controls, having to push 3 buttons to do a simple long jump can be a pain, and I feel like the level design in general feels really sparse, like everything is placed so far apart. Either that or it's that most of the 2D elements of Mario had to be simplified in a way to work in the third dimension, I dunno. I can't really explain it. 3D Land didn't really click with me, it's not a bad game, but it is the worst 3D Mario. Oh, and the game has a grand total of three different boss battles, Boom Boom, Pom Pom, and Bowser. Pathetic.

It's got some catchy tunes for the most part, though.

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I also really don't like the jumping physics. I get that they were trying to emulate the 2D jumping style, where you have less control in the air, but it feels so wrong when it's like that in 3D.

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Yeah, that too.

You know what I just realized, Nintendo might keep going with the 3D Land series, they've been cranking out the 3D Mario games recently, with Galaxy 2 and 3D Land both coming out not far from each other. i really hope they don't. 3D Land feels so blandfor the most part, fully 3D on a handheld can work, but Nintendo needs to add more flare to it. Like they did with Galaxy, just don't make Galaxy 3.

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On the subject of Super Mario 3D Land, I do agree with you Whelt because it's true that the game itself gives you a lot of lives very easily Also, the levels felt very short and a little too easy. While Super Mario 3D Land wasn't my most favorite game, it was not a bad game. I did enjoy the music a lot and the levels were very fun to play through.

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The NSMB games and 3D Land are designed like old Mario games, where your goal is to go straight through a level without dying, and you should lose your progress if you get a game over. But you have so many lives that it just won't happen.

a) That's dumb. The challenge should come from beating a level, not beating a level within X number of tries. Punishment should come from dying, not from dying X number of times. It's one thing for the arcades to make you feed another quarter, but why should you be punished when dying a certain number of times? How does that add anything to gameplay?

B) What happens when you get a game over? You watch Mario fall down, sad music plays, you wait 10 seconds before you can hit "Continue", Mario goes "Yees!" and runs off, then you're back at the map screen, you move over to the level you were at, and you start again. So what progress do you lose? Nothing. So what's the point of Game Overs, then? Nothing. All they are is a colossal waste of time.

May I point you to, again, Rayman Origins. That game was hard as balls at points, yet there wasn't some arbitrary number of times you were allowed to die before you were booted to the main screen, completely interrupting the flow of gameplay. If you die, you go back to a checkpoint. That's it. Like Yahtzee said, it has the perfect balance of being difficult, but not frustratingly so. It makes you want to keep playing, as opposed to thrusting you out of the experience by going OH NO SO SORRY YOU LOST YOUR LIVES WHICH MEANS NOTHING, YOU GET A 30 SECOND TIME-OUT.

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I'm giving Super Mario 3D Bros. a pass because I accidentally beat 7-1 in about 5 seconds and couldn't help but laugh.

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Presentation-wise, yeah.

But I don't know, I think I might actually like Mario Kart 7 more.

To be honest, I don't think I've played a single 3DS game that made me feel like I had to buy the system. OoT, MK7, Kid Dickarus, Kingdom Hearts 3D and Super 3D Bros. were all varying degrees of decent to good, but nothing that I've gone gaga over.

Though that'll probably change once the new Fire Emblem comes out, probably a year after it's already been released because Nintendo of America is a bunch of blithering idiots.

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The only 3DS game I'm even remotely looking forward to so far is it's version of the upcoming Smash Bros. game. I'm gonna be waiting for quite a while.

God I need to expand my horizons.

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Because the control issues in Kid Icarus become transparent after a degree of time it is more than deserving of the title of "Best 3DS Game". Mario Kart is fun but virtually behind in the times when compared to the slew of other kart racing games.

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Uh...what? I'd say it's the best Mario Kart yet. The track selection's great, it controls great, it looks great, and it has great online play.

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