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Metroidvania in the sense that it's a connected world? I thought the defining feature of those games was that you unlocked new abilities to proceed to parts of the game you couldn't access before. Is Bioshock a Metroidvania?

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You have keys in place of gaining new abilities but the spirit is still there. You're constantly backtracking and gaining access to new things and unlocking shortcuts, and exploration is rewarded heavily, so much so that there are entire areas of the game you can miss if you don't thoroughly search every nook and cranny. That just really gave of Metraoidvania vibes to me.

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I'm pretty sure the term metroidvania refers exclusively to 2D games.

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I take it to mean a single, connected map, where progression is linear but involves lots of backtracking. I guess it's also 2D but I never thought of that.

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RedLuigi

So Metroid Prime isn't a metroidvania? Is there even an official definition for metroidvania?

 

I'll just say Dark Souls reminded me of Metroid and Castlevania. It even has a joke whip weapon.

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Metroid Prime isn't a Metroidvania. It's Metroid.

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a 2D Souls game would be a neat experience, though.

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RedLuigi

Metroid Prime isn't a Metroidvania. It's Metroid.

But if it wasn't a Metroid game but it was exactly the same otherwise it still wouldn't be considered a Metroidvania because it's not 2D?
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Whether a Metroidvania is 2D or not is still up for debate. I've seen some people argue for it, but most people use the term for both 2D and 3D games. Personally, I'm in the latter camp.

 

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JazzDanceForChildren

 

Metroid Prime isn't a Metroidvania. It's Metroid.

But if it wasn't a Metroid game but it was exactly the same otherwise it still wouldn't be considered a Metroidvania because it's not 2D?

 

 

Yeah, probably. I get the sense "Metroidvania" probably refers to 2D sidescrollers exclusively. It's a sub-genre name which means it's defined in greater detail than a more abstract genre classification like "adventure." Even in the case of 2D games, classifying any non-linear adventure game that emphasizes the development of functionally distinct abilities in puzzles leads to unintuitive conclusions like The Legend of Zelda is a "Metroidvania" game. I feel like a term that specific really only has any explanatory value when using it in reference to games that are very clearly derived from the same model and not any game that happens to feature similar elements even if the design goals and mechanics of the game are totally different. It would kind of be like describing any game that involves navigating a maze as a Pac-Man clone.

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bob

Is there even an official definition for metroidvania?

 

No because its a lazy fan-made subgenre based off of a few examples

 

 

 

I will say though that they generally involve platforming so while it doesnt matter at all, i guess the popular definition of metroidvania doesnt apply to dark souls

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I'm very weak willed, so i'll end up watching videos of it to tide me over until the pc release

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I would like to own this eventually, but I'm kind of put off by the decreased ability to opt out of online, particularly when I haven't even completed the first and would have comparatively limited time to invest in either.

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Naƶmatik

DS2 is pretty damn great so far, feels like a natural improvement of the previous game, but totally different at the same time.

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I would like to own this eventually, but I'm kind of put off by the decreased ability to opt out of online, particularly when I haven't even completed the first and would have comparatively limited time to invest in either.

 

wait so invasions arent optional?

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I haven't been reading up much on the game, but to my understanding you can be invaded while human or hollow unless you're just not connected or don't have the console's online service.

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Old Dragonslayer best boss, best boss theme, best etc.

 

Also I'm finding DS2 way harder than DS1 for some reason, even basic enemies are fucking me up over and over and over again, guess I shouldn't have picked Swordsman since everything but Dex stat sucks and Dual Swords aren't that great.

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I haven't been reading up much on the game, but to my understanding you can be invaded while human or hollow unless you're just not connected or don't have the console's online service.

The more hollowed you get the less likely you are to be invaded, and burning Human Effigies (this games version of Humanity) at Bonfires temporarily decreases the chances even further.

I enjoy getting invaded, personally. It's a fun way to keep you on your toes and it's incredibly satisfying when you win a tough fight against another person.

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