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It helps that nearly everyone in the GTA universe is kind of an asshole as well.

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I do think GTA purposely dehumanizes civilians by making them all angry and stupid so the player doesn't feel bad killing them. Their behavior is a clear reminder that it's a game and they aren't real people.

And at the same time they do the opposite for the protagonists, show you their side of the story so you can sympathize with them and thus ignore all the terrible things the game has you doing during missions.

As long as the scenario is fictional I don't believe anything to be morally wrong about a movie or game, though that doesn't mean I would want to play something with like a realistic depiction of rape.

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Time to kick Nazeem

 

 

 

 

Bobbymeme just joined game

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You've said a few times that you don't think American Psycho is a very good book. Why is that? Not that I've ever read it, but everyone who I know who has gushes over it.

 

My personal impression is that the prose is tedious, and that combined with the subject matter makes the book a hell of a slog to get through (though that's kind of the idea). From a really cursory glance, it's basically about a guy who tries to out-yuppie his yuppie friends and engages in gratuitous torture-murders as the reliability of his narration becomes increasingly unreliable and disgusting over time. It just feels like one of those works where the gratuitousness of the subject matter totally takes precedence over the quality of the craftsmanship and in the end it kind of feels like a long, convoluted staircase to nowhere. It's almost pornographic in that sense. I'm not opposed to the idea of a horrible person being the primary voice in a novel, or any of the baggage that goes along with that. I think Nabokov's Lolita is beautifully written even though it's a book about a pedophile. American Psycho can be powerful in the sense that it's just so uncomfortable to go through, and it does casts the horror genre in a really challenging light, so people who are big fans of the genre can probably appreciate it. I definitely think it's a work of value, but like I said, it's the kind of value that comes from placing it in conversation with other works and trying to determine what it all means. But with respect to the writing and it's own internal depth, I feel like it's the sort of novel where someone could just read a some sufficiently long excerpts or a few chapters and still get a fairly complete picture of what the novel is like.

 

And I'm not totally convinced that people are disgusted by the fact that the serial killer is the main character of a work alone because people enjoy those kinds of characters in horror works all the time and how sympathetic the narrative is towards the character usually plays a much larger role in how the audience interprets it than the actual facts of the story.

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I don't know about that guy's shirt but no matter what its a good idea for Epic to take down any relation to this project.

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The weird part is that in my earlier post I was considering saying the game was so bad that it was along the lines of one those games made by white supremacists where the goal is to murder ethnic groups. I guess I don't need to compare them too much anymore. Either way, it certainly gives me a much worse view of the devs if it's for real. Not that I thought very highly of them from the start.

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Jesus, I thought it was just some silly "2edge" game, but the idea that it might be a legitimate message of hate is pretty scary.

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And I'm not totally convinced that people are disgusted by the fact that the serial killer is the main character of a work alone because people enjoy those kinds of characters in horror works all the time and how sympathetic the narrative is towards the character usually plays a much larger role in how the audience interprets it than the actual facts of the story.

 

This character has shown nothing of value but killing and it looks like his perspective is what the whole game consists of. And he essentially wants to just kill until he dies to there's no tension or thrill to be had in a horror sense.

 

 

Some people are "disgusted", but most people who see this just think it looks bad or unpleasant.

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This character has shown nothing of value but killing and it looks like his perspective is what the whole game consists of. And he essentially wants to just kill until he dies to there's no tension or thrill to be had in a horror sense.

 

The threat of death is a pretty universal source of drama, even in the context of works that downplay the effects of violence. There may be nothing subtle or complex about it, but mass shootings are a pretty dramatic scenario just by virtue of their direness. And above that, these things are a matter of interpretation as value is always going to be subjective in the context of art.

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Well for all I know these neo-nazis will surprise me but that's my reaction to what they've shown so far. That and the strong feeling that they just got what they wanted, a lot of websites upset/curious over the intentions behind the game in the trailer.

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It's...certainly the most competently developed Neo-Nazi game.

Loads better than Ethnic Cleansing and...whatever other Neo-Nazi games exist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbBHNeK3Wus

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Well I gave the game the benefit of the doubt like with my last post about it. It could have just been a simulation as to what it's like to be a public enemy, a pariah, if you will. Sort of raise the argument of that killers still have a sense of consciousness. But if it is just going to be nothing but senseless killing then I wont bother with it at all. (Unless It's not just that and I'm just missing something).

 

It's sad, I don't think the notion of getting into the mind of a killer has ever been pulled off eloquently. I mean, there's Spec Ops: The Line, but that's more of a "in the mind of a soldier" thing. I think if there was a game that can help us maybe understand the mind of a murderer would be a good thing for gaming if its done right.

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Well the closest I can think of off the top of my head is Harvester, but that's really more of a parody of media influences of murder, (hence the main character playing the game in the final cutscene if you select the "bad" ending).

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Well sometimes I just want to go out and murder people but as I live in the UK where I can't get easy access to guns I just take to video games to kill people so this will be a good substitute for the anger and suffering that is building up inside my warped soul. //_¬

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New Hatred gameplay revealed:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS2b5mXUKMg

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Hatred looks edgier than Elfen Lied.
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