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My final verdict is that this game needs some massive balance changes, potentially several members of the core development team need to be replaced with people who actually know how to design an FPS game.  The biggest issue at the moment in higher level play is the cancerous Reinhardt/Bastion meta (I predict that if/when this game gets a laughable competitive scene the go-to meta is going to be Reinhardt/Reinhardt/Bastion/Bastion/Holy/Fill for defending maps, with the two Reinhardts swapping out their shields/charging double ults, one Bastion camping on the point while the second Bastion sets up in a corner to pick off the weak flank attempts/swap out with the defending Bastion whenever he dies.  An alternative to this may be Reinhardt/Bastion/Bastion/Holy/Fill/Fill, but Reinhardt is pretty much useful enough you could use two of him) 

The biggest fucking issue is just the map design.  Too many maps are just these badly put together choke-point oriented maps with, at best, one alternative route to take to get around the chokepoint; and this is a huge fucking problem.  Most games at higher end play (as I said before) just turn into the defending team camping their Bastion(s) and the attacking team waiting for Reinhardt to get an ult so you can sweep in and then the cycle just repeats itself at a later choke.  It massively slows games down, which is too bad, because when you're actually pushing as a team the game can honestly be quite exciting (or at least as exciting as an FPS like Overwatch can get), but there's too many moments of complete stagnation where you're just waiting on ults so you can push, something that isn't nearly so bad in games like TF2.

At first I felt Bastion could use a nerf to his damage and maybe I still feel that way, but I think the real issue is the map design.  It's too fucking easy to defend Bastion (especially with one or, god forbid, two Reinhardts).  Reinhardt's shield could also use a nerf, probably the one I mentioned before, where his shield recharges slower if you're not moving around much.  Reinhardt is an excellent pusher and faster shield recovery while moving forward would help him excel more at this, where as slower shield recovery when not moving around much would help chip away at this awful turtle up meta.

It's not a game I could see myself playing without at least 3-4 friends and it's honestly not a game that (I, myself) would recommend.  I don't care for its aesthetics or it's "don't offend anyone/anything" attitude and I think the game has all the character and charm of a stomach virus, but this is all beside the point of the actual game.  If Blizzard could just redesign some of the maps the game would probably be far more playable, it's VERY apparent to me that the people who designed the maps did NOT have proper foresight into how the map design would be abused (that is, by the current turtle meta).  Just making the maps slightly more complex and harder to turtle on would be a huge step in improving enjoyability.   

I mean, just wait for 'competitive' tournaments to fucking happen AND ALL YOU SEE is just Reinhardt camping Bastion while the attacking team STANDS AROUND WAITING FOR ULTS TO CHARGE.  

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I won't deny that there are some balancing issues, most notably Bastion being too easy to abuse. That being said, it's not a bad game. Not even close. It's not even mediocre; it's great.

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I can't wait to play this game. I haven't been this excited for a game in quite a while. 

Of course there are bugs and balancing issues. Remember that the game is in beta and they will release countless patches. The core game seems really great. The potential is there. They'll figure it out and all the feedback they're getting will help. 

I can't wait to pick this up so I can stop playing Hat Fortress Cost2me.

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Have you gotten the beta? It's available until Tuesday.

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Jim, most people do not make thousands of dollars off animated porn.

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I suppose I could try this game...is it available on Mac? If not my computer is dual booted anyway.

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@The Pope I wish I could play the beta. My computer cannot handle it and I do not have a next gen console yet. I'll pick it up after I get some money saved. 

All the balancing issues will likely be resolved by the time I get Overwatch. Unless they continue to add new characters. 

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I have to say, I really like the variety available for healing. On the one hand you have a more TF2 Medic type healer with Mercy, but you also have passive healers with more utility like Lucio. There are some others, but I haven't tried them out that much.

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Hell I could honestly see this game replacing TF2 for me for a long time, it's way too much fun haha.

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11 minutes ago, Whelt said:

Jim, most people do not make thousands of dollars off animated porn.

You want to fucking bet lol?  A lot of people doing porn commissions (at least who have established themselves, obviously it's quite competitive before you really become an established artist) charge hundreds of dollars for simple pictures and they do dozens of commissions a month.  A pornographic picture might cost, say, 300 dollars where a non-pornographic picture of the same scale and quality might only cost around 50 dollars.  Don't get me started on the people who actually do animations, either.  

With the rise of SFM it's even 'worse', with people charging upwards for 300-500 dollars for a 12 second loop of two ugly nude models humping.  The world of porn commissions is a world of sweaty nerds willing to fork over thousands of dollars to see video game characters fuck.  Obviously quite a competitive thing to break into doing, but once you've made it, you've made it.  No idea where you got the assumption this isn't true.

26 minutes ago, The Pope said:

I won't deny that there are some balancing issues, most notably Bastion being too easy to abuse. That being said, it's not a bad game. Not even close. It's not even mediocre; it's great.

If you ever get to the point where you're in the higher end meta I am absolutely certain you're going to change your mind, Pope.

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Lots of people are overwatching those Tracer / Widowmaker / D.VA asses.

Which is fine by me. I like that my favorite character isn't the target of ALL the porn. I'm positive there is Mei porn and plenty of it, but it's not the biggest one. That works for me.

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played some overwatch today. this game is surprisingly well optimized, on low settings it ran buttery smooth and does decent on medium on my laptop (kept it at low because obviously i want to avoid any choppiness.) so far my favorite heroes to play are mei and reaper, dva is pretty cool too.

on an execution level, it's quite easy; none of the heroes i played take more then a minute to understand them, and aim is forgiving as fuck. if you know how to navigate the maps and use your skills wisely you're already better then 80% of the players i fought. i'm not really sure how i feel about ultimates either...they're cool, but there's such a ridiculous amount of focus on them. competitive will probably be really boring to watch since this meta will almost certainly gravitate towards teams camping for their ultimates before pushing, and then the other team countering with their own ultimates. casual play should stay interesting at least, and i enjoyed enough of my time with it that i will likely pick up the full release in a couple of weeks.

oh yeah, and what exactly is the problem with bastion? yes his turret kills very fast, but he's a fucking sitting duck doing that. hook him as roadhog. make an ice wall to close the gap as mei. do mcree or widowmaker things. press e as genji and laugh. a good bastion (especially with a good support) can make taking a chokehold pretty annoying but that's his fucking job. stop running in blindly like a dumbass and blaming the game for it.
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the fact that blizzard doesn't listen to kneejerk reactions from the fanbase has me hopeful for the future of this game

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I played a bit more, it was kinda fun and I had a better experience. But I think I wouldn't even pay 40 bucks for it.

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oh yeah, and what exactly is the problem with bastion? yes his turret kills very fast, but he's a fucking sitting duck doing that. hook him as roadhog. make an ice wall to close the gap as mei. do mcree or widowmaker things. press e as genji and laugh. a good bastion (especially with a good support) can make taking a chokehold pretty annoying but that's his fucking job. stop running in blindly like a dumbass and blaming the game for it.

Reinhardt blocks Roadhog's hook, Mccree's ult, Widowmaker, Junkrat ult, etc.  One of the few ults that go through Reinhardt's shield is Hanzo ult but it moves slow and even if you kill the Bastion with it, the team is always going to have 2 of them (at higher level play)

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really? oh, so the complaint is the combo then and not so much bastion himself

i can't comment on that because i don't recall running into that in my 2-3 hours of playtime. i just remember dealing with a couple bastions pretty easily after knowing where they set up shop.

i think calling anything op in a meta this brand new is a mistake though. wait for counters to develop.

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Yeah, a lone Bastion isn't a huge problem. The problem is Reinhardt or, god forgiving, a bunch of Bastions. Jazz and Bones and I think Benedetto and I fought a team that had like 3-4 Bastions, which was obnoxious as hell because they had every area covered and ripped us all to shreds.

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Nothing is going to develop to counter it lol.  The game is rather simple, the longterm meta is being laid out (or was laid out in closed beta, rather).

But yes the problem is the meta and how Bastion fits into it as opposed to Bastion himself.  For instance, Winston is pretty worthless in the current meta despite being considered rather top tier for his mobility and harass ability.

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I'll agree that Reinhardt just isn't very fun to play against in the current state of the game, but I think at the very least the issues that he presents can be mostly resolved by adjusting the numbers in a balance patch. The character isn't built around a mechanic that's fundamentally broken by its very nature like 90% of the character classes with stealth abilities in MMOs. I'm also mostly okay with a game that's disastrous for high-level competition, but totally playable 99% of the time in real-life conditions for a normal player.

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Yeah, a lone Bastion isn't a huge problem. The problem is Reinhardt or, god forgiving, a bunch of Bastions. Jazz and Bones and I think Benedetto and I fought a team that had like 3-4 Bastions, which was obnoxious as hell because they had every area covered and ripped us all to shreds.

Eh, they had a really strong early game advantage, but it was super easy after I switched to Junkrat and just trashed all of the unprotected Bastions. The play of the game for that match was literally just the first 6 seconds of the game when our entire team stepped out and didn't expect to immediately encounter like 4 Bastions. We also went against a few other extremely biased team compositions that sounded like they would work in theory, but were fairly easy to counter in practice with a balanced team composition. Some points are definitely too easy to bunker down on though. Attacking point 2 on Hanamura can be a serious slog most of the time, but I've had a couple of sessions where we manage to pull through after a really bitter fight.

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Well it's not even high end competitive, if you do well in pubs you'll eventually get high enough mmr where you'll meet the tryhards, or you'll start seeing this happen in low level play as players begin to mimic what they see happening in higher level games.

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