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I mean, the Hookshot grapple was mostly a novelty in 64 as Link and Samus were the only grapple characters (also Ocarina was the most recent game and the Hookshot was a huge deal in that game, while in recent years it's fallen more and more out of favor to the point where it doesn't even show up in Breath of the Wild), but in Smash 4 there are 10 characters with tether grabs. That includes Toon Link, any hey, there solves that problem! Leave Toon Link with the original moveset so we can have our updated Link cake and eat it too.

Another factor is that, like I mentioned elsewhere, Breath of the Wild is easily the most culturally significant Zelda game since Ocarina. The intervening games have mostly ranged from good to great, yes, but no game since Ocarina has gotten the critical raving, massive sales and conversation outside of the gaming world that Breath of the Wild has achieved. As such, since Link is mostly based off of Ocarina (though Brawl onward his boomerang/bombs were styled after Twilight Princess, he's still using Ocarina weapons), it'd be fitting to overhaul Link to reflect his new moves.

I think back to Brawl, and how Mario getting a new Down B was cause for rioting, but it made more sense for the character than a spin tumble move. Granted, it took until 4 for FLUDD to actually be good, but we always have the old games; I think we should be open to characters getting vitally reworked to keep the games fresh. 4 also had massive reworks for Pit and Olimar, so it's not wholly out of the question.

In terms of other reworks, it'd be cool for Mario to have Cappy, but I don't know if I see that happening (Odyssey was a huge deal and the best Mario game in years, but Mario's generally been quite consistent in terms of relevance; hell, if anything Sunshine is probably the least culturally relevant game between 64 and Odyssey, and FLUDD managed to make its way into his moveset years after Sunshine lost relevance). Zelda could use a major overhaul, though I don't know what you'd do with her. If they update Link to Breath of the Wild you'd think they'll do the same for Zelda who, while not fantastic or as good as Tetra (speaking of which, Toon Zelda/Tetra when Nintendo) is one of the better portrayals of the character. She can create forcefields and stuff in the game but not much else; then again they created Zelda from what little she had in Ocarina, so maybe Sakurai and pals could work something out. Ganondorf I'd love to see radically reworked to make him a combination of swordplay and magic rather than the brawler he nonsensically is. I'd like Ike to be made more of a balanced character rather than a slow tank (since that doesn't really fit him), but I doubt that'll change at this point. Wario I'd like to see get some more influence back from Wario Land, like giving him back the charge attack and change his Up B to balloonface or something, but I won't hold out too much hope. Palutena, as I've mentioned, desperately could use an overhaul if they don't bring back the custom move system. Other than that, I'd say the rest of the characters could be left well enough alone.

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Since Zelda uses the Sheikah slate in certain cutscenes of BotW, I wonder if some of her moves might be retooled as rune abilities instead of Link's?

This does raise the question of whether she'd wear her yoga pants champion outfit or her shrine maiden dress getup.  Also, what the heck's gonna happen to Sheik?  Twilight Princess Zelda conveniently had an unused Sheik design lying around, but BotW Zelda seems almost incompatible with having a Sheik of her own, unless if Smash 5's Sheik is going to be treated not just as an alter-ego but as a completely separate incarnation of the character, like Toon Link, and she'll essentially be "Ocarina Zelda" independently of BotW Zelda.

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That, or trade Shiek for Impa? Or run both?

I've simmered on it, and while I'd prefer Ghirahim if we're to get another Zelda character, I'd be okay with getting Skyward Sword Impa. Depressing as it is, that would make her the only dark-skinned character in Smash outside of Ganondorf.

It's always possible Sakurai goes the lazy route and uses an older Zelda despite using Breath of the Wild Link, but that'd be pretty lame. It doesn't help that Ocarina and Twilight Princess Zelda (the main two ones her Smash incarnation is based on) are probably the two most boring of the series.

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This has nothing to do with the upcoming installment, but one thing I never understood is why Donkey Kong and Bowser have generic creature/monster roars for sound clips when they in fact do have canon "voices" in their respective game franchises. Even in Odyssey's cutscenes, Bowser's voice clips were modified to sound less like a disgruntled dad and slightly more grumbly, but not to the point where it became unfitting or out of place. It would be cool (and admittedly funny) to see a future Smash games honor this consistency, but considering Mario hasn't smiled in a Smash title since the first game probably, I doubt it will happen.

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I had an idea for Mario's Cap Toss. It would hover in place after a few feet or after bumping the first person in its path. While it's out, Mario's Down+B becomes a dive attack and Cappy functions like a one use Pac-Man trampoline.

I don't think a Ganondorf rework is going to happen. He hasn't used his human form since Twilight Princess, so the ship has sailed on that unless they base it off his moveset in Warriors (which they won't)

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@Deaniac, for most cases, all voices were ported over from Brawl so they wouldn't have to rerecord new lines. That's why the voices of Ike, Ganondorf and Zero Suit Samus in 4 are really...really bad.

Like...really bad.

Anyway, Galaxy was around the time that Bowser's current voice actor started portraying him. For whatever reason, Sakurai thought that instead of using that voice, it'd be best to use a really...really bad voice. And then when 4 came around, they got lazy and just reused them.

So I can't tell you why they'd go with those voices for Brawl, but come 4 they recycled everyone's voices (except Pit because we gotta make sure Kid Icarus characters sound absolutely perfect for daddy sakurai).

Also, looking it up, Dedede has been voiced since day one by...Sakurai?

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If anything, I hope this time we finally get all new voice recordings for everyone. Maybe that's wishful thinking, but it would be nice.

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DK's had the same VA since 2004, but his Brawl voice is so different from his voice in Mario Kart Wii, and those came out in the same year.

Also, I just read that Ike yells "You're open!" during his counter. Makes so much more sense than "Brotha!"

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If they were gonna change any character's moveset, I think ganon deserves it the most. Looking at project ganondorf makes me wish we got a ganon more in line with the actual series.

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Speaking of voices, I'm curious about whether they'll stick with Marth speaking in Japanese in the non-Japanese versions of the game. He's gotten a standard English voice actor now thanks to FE Warriors, Heroes, and not to mention his appearance in Fates via amiibo, so it makes me wonder if they'll go that extra mile now.

And assuming if he's returning, the same goes for Cloud, though it's arguably even stranger since he's had an English voice actor for years now, and the lack of an English voice for him in the non-Japanese versions of Smash 3DS / Wii U is quite jarring to say the least. They could even recycle voice clips from the Dissidia games if they could ala the Virtua Fighter characters in Dead or Alive 5. If Square allowed them to make a Mii Costume based on Geno, surely they can allow that.

If they wanted to, they could even include an option to select between English and Japanese voices for certain characters. Bayonetta has something like this going on in the Japanese version of Smash Bros 3DS / Wii U, wherein choosing her Bayonetta 1 appearance will give her English voice (As there was no Japanese dub for Bayonetta 1) and choosing her Bayonetta 2 appearance will give her Japanese voice. So having something like that but as a menu toggle rather than being restricted by a character's appearance would be nice to have.

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Cloud not having an English voice actor just made no sense; to me that just stank of laziness.

Now Marf, that's another story. On the one hand, him having a Japanese voice is kind of a running gag for him at this point. On the other hand, yeah, he's gotten an English voice in multiple games so it's reasonable for him to get one in Smash.

Whatever decision is made, I hope it's thought through and not just done out of laziness. I'm okay with either choice if it's a design decision, but not if Sakurai just goes "eh don't feel like rerecording new audio". That being said, having different costumes have different voices would be neat, but that'd probably be a little hard to mitigate. We'll see what Sakurai ends up doing.

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2 hours ago, The Pope said:

Cloud not having an English voice actor just made no sense; to me that just stank of laziness.

Now Marf, that's another story. On the one hand, him having a Japanese voice is kind of a running gag for him at this point. On the other hand, yeah, he's gotten an English voice in multiple games so it's reasonable for him to get one in Smash.

Whatever decision is made, I hope it's thought through and not just done out of laziness. I'm okay with either choice if it's a design decision, but not if Sakurai just goes "eh don't feel like rerecording new audio". That being said, having different costumes have different voices would be neat, but that'd probably be a little hard to mitigate. We'll see what Sakurai ends up doing.

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On ‎3‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 11:33 PM, Life said:

Link will have the same moveset but every weapon breaks after five hits.

Actually that could work in a way. Break one, get a different kind to use :P

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7 hours ago, The Titan said:

did you ever own Smash on 3DS? 

...Yes? I don't see what that has to do with my post.

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Something about voices? I've failed to pay attention to those characters anyway so IDK what's implied here.

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As long as Wario's "GOOOOOO" comes back, right? Or just something new from Wario Land again, that would be nice and it would show that WarioWare isn't his only solo series of games.

16 hours ago, The Pope said:

So I can't tell you why they'd go with those voices for Brawl, but come 4 they recycled everyone's voices (except Pit because we gotta make sure Kid Icarus characters sound absolutely perfect for daddy sakurai).

I don't know if this was an exaggeration or not because Kirby, Ness, Sonic, Fox, and Falco definitely all got voice changes as well. I think that's it?

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It was only a mild exaggeration; while some voice lines are definitely redone, most of characters with actual dialogue just got reused.

I could be wrong, but it sounds like the likes of Mario, Peach and Luigi are all recycled form Brawl. Looking up online, Yoshi, Jigglypuff and Falcon have been recycling some lines since all the way back in 64.

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I'm pretty sure Falcon has been rerecorded at some point from 64. His VA just nailed very similar delivery.

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One of the wikis gave me that factoid; my guess is that while some of his dialogue has been rerecorded, there's at least one lingering from 64.

In particular, it sounds like "show me ya moves" (:06 and :39) is the same clip, albeit cleaned up, while Falcon Punch (:12 and :11) is clearly rerecorded.

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