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Yeah, that really bugged me. All of the buildup was how it was the first game in the series, how everything started here.

Literally first moment of the game:

A LONG LONG TIME AGO

Like, why even have Demise be an "ancient evil awakened"? Why have Hylia "return"? Wouldn't it have been far more interesting to play in that story, the one where you're waging evil with this evil force that just spawned from the cracks of hell?

Not to mention Demise is so blandly boring that even the notion that he's the progenitor of every single villain of the series is beyond stupid.

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The Breakfast Club, more like The Breakfast Chub, as far as 80s high school films are concerned, Fast Times at Ridgemont High is infinitely better.

I don't think I like any clichés in particular when it comes to film. Not off the top of my head anyway.

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I hate it when historical dramas simplify conflicts and war. In addition to being historically inaccurate, it's insulting to me as a viewer; they expect me to buy a "good guys v. bad guys" or "now the underdogs finally take their revenge" scenario despite the story being based on real world, absolutely more complex events. I obviously do not suggest we portray Nazis and Holocaust victims in the same light; I'm thinking more how media tends to glorify US / European military without acknowledging their wrongdoings or any negative consequences. 

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The Breakfast Club, more like The Breakfast Chub, as far as 80s high school films are concerned, Fast Times at Ridgemont High is infinitely better.

I don't think I like any clichés in particular when it comes to film. Not off the top of my head anyway.

You're right, Fast Times is amazing. "Doesn't anybody fucking KNOCK anymore?"

I don't even go on tumblr, lol. Breakfast Club just has way more flaws than most people are willing to admit.

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I've seen Grease, too, actually, and...yeah, the ending's pretty problematic. It's funny, since the writers were actually trying to have an empowerment message, by having Sandy break out of her repressive '50s gender roles and become sexually liberated. But now it doesn't look like that at all. Well, at least Grease has the excuse of catchy music and not trying to be "realistic" in the slightest. Breakfast Club doesn't have those excuses, unless you count that "Don't You Forget About Me" song.

I already mentioned this in the "good movies" thread, but while watching Grease, I laughed out loud whenever anyone addressed Danny by his last name, "Zuko." Even funnier since the cartoon Zuko was actually better with the ladies than Grease's Zuko.

I guess the main thing here is that some cliches age better than others.

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Also don't forget that just because it's not teaching you all of your sunday school values doesn't mean that it can't be positive. Being a teenager sucked in the 80s, and the happy ending was that they were all able to connect with and appreciate each other. An ending where the blonde girl said "lets get the whole school to appreciate your style!" and shit like that wouldn't have fit what a realistically happy ending in that situation would be.

Whatever. I still dislike the message that "weird" girls only look that way because they want attention, and that they would somehow be happier with themselves if they just put on makeup and dressed like conventional females. Also, Bender had to change literally nothing about himself to get his girl, but Allison has to have a makeover to get the guy? For what's supposed to be such an anti-establishment film, that's a pretty dated attitude. (Come to think of it, the film as a whole has dated pretty badly. Getting detention for bringing a gun to school?!?)

I hesitate to call "The Breakfast Club" a period piece, but that was the first thing that came to mind to describe how true to the time period that movie tried to stay, except back then it was less "wow this is so dated" and more "wow, this is more gritty and true to life than other movies"

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I don't even go on tumblr, lol. Breakfast Club just has way more flaws than most people are willing to admit.

I wasn't implying you were, I was just saying that people need to stop retroactively criticising films for views that were common of the time. I don't throw a tantrum every time someone calls a black guy a nigger or "boy", or a character is stereotyped to hell and back because I'm not that sensitive.

Mickey Rooney said that if he'd known he was going to offend so many people with his role in Breakfast At Tiffany's, he wouldn't have done it. Fun fact: most of the people who complained were white (fancy that!!). He says that decades after that film was released, he still had Asian people praising that role for its comedy.

Many people have gotten into this sort of John Hughes hate-funk as of late which I think just sort of stems from a combination of people feeling that he wasn't all that great and "man that guy sure is white". Which on the one hand I understand why people might not think he was progressive as he's made out to be, but any sort of other issues they have do seem petty, like what you mention. (That and he made Planes, Trains and Automobiles and Home Alone. Come on, those are fun.) That sort of thing is what I tend to refer to political correctness not doing any favors.

It's funny that you mention the Mickey Rooney bit. I'll admit that I found the role very off but to be fair I can't say he did anything wrong. The character was just supposed to be an eccentric thick-accented Asian. Reminds me of the whole issue with Speedy Gonzales. Sometimes I wonder if you have a character that just sounds very stereotypical but is actually contributing to some sort of narrative in a non-stereotypical way if people can see past the look. Like if Rooney's character had a more complex story arc would it have changed anything? I mean in the end it comes down to the issue of taking jobs away from other minorities and having said minorities be pigeonholed and the whole issue of to what lengths should people play beyond their racial barriers. It's all complex but people have to accept the raw past for it's strengths and faults.

Also Grease is great no matter how broken it really is. Avalon can serenade me with Beauty School Dropout anytime.

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I don't even go on tumblr, lol. Breakfast Club just has way more flaws than most people are willing to admit.

Mickey Rooney said that if he'd known he was going to offend so many people with his role in Breakfast At Tiffany's, he wouldn't have done it. Fun fact: most of the people who complained were white (fancy that!!). He says that decades after that film was released, he still had Asian people praising that role for its comedy.

I find that claim extremely dubious. Notice he was the only one who said it, and there were no Asian people to back him up? Whole thing smells fishy, or rather, shitty.

If it was such a minor role, why couldn't they just have hired a Japanese actor? It's not like Americans had never seen Asian actors onscreen before (one of them even won an Oscar in 1957!). I also remember reading once that Bruce Lee walked out of Breakfast at Tiffany's after seeing Mickey Rooney's performance; with his own movies, he wanted to create better Asian characters in film, partly to right the wrongs of movies like Tiffany's.

And don't say I'm oversensitive. I willingly watched Birth of a Nation, for crying out loud. Plus, ultimately, I'm not so bothered by The Breakfast Club's gender politics as by the feeling that the film as a whole just isn't written well, although I'm not going to call your taste shit if you like it. Still, those things shouldn't be ignored simply because they came from a different time. We're still seeing their effects today, in both fiction and real life.

Also, bob, being a teenager in pretty much every decade sucks, lol.

I'm not a John Hughes hater, either. I love Ferris Bueller's Day Off, although some people apparently think Ferris is a terrible person (I don't really buy that). It's all worth it to see Charlie Sheen inadvertently save the day.

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Wow, you just won't leave me alone! It's all good, though. I know that word isn't the best to use, but I felt like "sexist" was too loaded.

Anyway, going back to Ferris Bueller, here's a cliche I actually kind of like: when a complete stranger or very minor character wanders into the scene, and somehow they understand the movie/show better than any of the main characters. Like Charlie Sheen.

I wonder if this is one of MFX's favorite movies.

Another example would be Sean in that fourth season Scrubs episode, who appears out of nowhere, but manages to say "this hospital is crazy!" and "I hate you, JD," two things I'm sure a lot of viewers were thinking.

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I dunno, Noz, Ferris is kind of a selfish prick even if he doesn't intend to be.

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I was never a huge fan of The Breakfast Club; despite seeing it twice, I think it's alright but just pretty overrated. Planes, Trains, and Automobiles is probably my favorite John Hughes film, with Ferris Bueller's Day Off in second.

Anyway, a cliche I really love is the "angry Spider-man", or, when the character that always cracks jokes suddenly stops cracking jokes when pushed over the edge, and things get real bad for whoever pissed them off real fast.

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I love movies where a character is bullied because of their defining trait or job, but in the end, we learn that they, too, belong in the team.

 

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 I don't throw a tantrum every time someone calls a black guy a nigger or "boy"

 

 

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I just pictured the king saying nigger with terrible world splicing.

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 I fucking HATE when a character says, "At least it can't get any worse", and then some bad shit happens

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Ever since Fight Club, lots of movies and TV series keep doing the thing they did at the end.

Spoilers:

That one of the characters isn't real and it's actually the imagination of another character.

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So you like or dislike that?

Personally I've never seen an instance of that I hated.

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So you like or dislike that?

Personally I've never seen an instance of that I hated.

I don't hate it but now it's too predictable.

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