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Would the NX be also compatible with the Wii games?

It's not impossible, but I find it unlikely.

If it doesn't at least have Wii U compatibility, however, I get the feeling that might bite the NX in the ass.

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The PS4 isn't backwards compatible with the PS3 and it's doing fine.

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The PS4 was sold by brand name (and Micro$oft fuck-ups) before any games were out. It's only now that people are having a problem with no backwards compatibility on it overall.

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The SNES, N64, GameCube and DSi didn't have much in the way of backwards compatibility either, and all of them sold like hotcakes as well. Well, maybe not so much the GameCube, but still...

Backwards compatibility is a reaaaally finnicky and complex topic that people got very used to thanks to the entire Game Boy line featuring the same CPU, as well as the PS2 and early PS3 straight up featuring a hardware copy of their predecessor consoles on the motherboard, a costly process that bit Sony in the ass early on. That being said, with the GC, Wii and Wii U all sharing the same PowerPC architecture, and as proven with projects like Dolphin on PC, the idea of keeping backwards compatibility with Wii and Wii U titles stays a strong possibility.

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There's a number of reasons I think it's more important than ever with the NX.

Splatoon and Mario Maker are games that rely heavily on an internet connection to be played. To get the longest lifespan out of them, you'd need to be able to play them on the NX, too.

Assuming the NX really does release sometime next year, that would mean you'd have a little over a year of Mario Maker before the NX comes along, and if you're not able to play Wii U games on the NX, that would mean you'd have to keep the Wii U and NX plugged in at all times, or, play one of them exclusively on the gamepad in a worst-case scenario where you simply don't have room.

Addtionally, if the NX isn't backwards-compatible, it'll quite possibly shorten the life-span of the online modes of these games, leaving everyone with only the short single-player campaign in Splatoon, or being stuck with their own individual levels and the test levels in Mario Maker, assuming nobody figures out how to replicate the servers for these games.

Plus, there's a good reason from a purely business standpoint, they wouldn't be able to sell these great games to the people who didn't get a Wii U but did get an NX. If NX has backwards compatibility, they can milk even more profit from the market they failed to tap during this current gen.

Now, they could do remasters, or ports, but it would waste effort that could be used in making new games specifically for the NX. I think Wii U support is really neccesary for the NX, and if this becomes the first console gen for Nintendo since the Gamecube where there's no backwards compatibility, it's gonna hurt. I know it'll probably turn me off from the NX.

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Yeah, to be honest backwards compatibility is something they should do if not only just to avoid making Wii U adopters feel betrayed. Splatoon has taken off and now Mario Maker is too, not to mention Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Bros. It would end kind of like the Saturn did in Japan, where there was a sizable following that felt backstabbed by the sudden jump to the Dreamcast.

All of those games could live on.

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A five year lifespan for a console was pretty normal until last gen, which was incredibly stretched out and honestly overstayed its welcome. However, last gen was also the first time that online play really became a thing, so maybe in that sense the longer lifespan was justified. As for games like Smash, Splatoon, and Super Mario Maker, I imagine Nintendo will keep the Wii U's servers alive for at least one or two years after the launch of NX. After all, the Wii and DS online services didn't go down until mid 2014, and the Wii U launched in 2012.

If I'm still playing Splatoon when the Wii U's online inevitably goes down, I'll be all right with that as long as there's a sequel ready not long after. It's Nintendo's most ambitious online game yet, and the only one where you need to play online to get any value out of it. Even with Super Mario Maker you can at least make levels to play with your friends locally, and Smash obviously thrives with local play. But you can't do anything interesting in Splatoon after the campaign without being online. I think a next gen sequel is a better solution than just supporting the first game until interest totally dies out, and it would give them a chance to fix some of the fundamental problems.

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The only reason the Wii went offline I think is because the servers they were hosted on were being taken offline. They were hosted on the same servers as GameSpy.

If Nintendo had a choice, I bet they'd have kept them up at least a little while longer.

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There's that too, so it's likely that Wii U's online will last even longer. Of course, backwards compatibility would be the best thing, so NX adopters could still play Wii U games online even if they don't still have a Wii U.

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It would be wise on Nintendo's part to place a MUCH higher internal memory capacity in the NX than what the Wii U has, even with externals being a thing.  With how many discs my niece and nephews have scratched for their Wii U, digital downloads are becoming more appealing to my sister. Better yet, have physical copies come bundled with a digital download code so we don't have to pay for a game all over again if the disc gets scratched! Movie studios already do something like that. But how to address piracy concerns? Link the purchase to the user's NNID?

As for me, I just want to be able to use my external to access my save files on other user's consoles. Nintendo can keep paid digital content locked to the user's NNID if they must, but don't force us to lug our entire console over to a friend's just to share our progress in a game! It's a really stupid thing to have to do when your friend already has the console AND their own physical copy of the game. That is what I disliked most about Wii and Wii U. Unfortunately, I don't know how such a setup would even work in an age where update patches and DLC are added to the equation. Maybe there's a simpler solution that's already in place that I haven't tried?

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Definitely. The new Fatal Frame is a 15GB download since they decided not to release it physical here. I have the 32GB system and I still don't have any room left for that. I have an extra hard drive I'm going to try to connect, but it's still stupid.

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As long as they don't follow the PS4's weirdass idea of "in order to lower loading times, literally the entire game is installed to the hard drive and the disc is just used as copy protection". My 500GB model has less than half storage left, and I own a grand total of 2 "big" games.

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I don't really care that much about what they do with this one, but I hope that they still keep the Gamepad or some other equivalent. Having a screen on your controller is nice enough of a convenience that they should hold onto it going forward.

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I actually felt pretty bitter hearing about the NX because I got a Wii U just last year.

I put a lot of time into games like Splatoon and I'd hate to lose all of that time so soon just because I happened to be a late adopter this time around. Like... I finally got a Wii U, I actually love it, and then WHOOO NEW CONSOLE NEW CONSOLE.

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It's definitely not coming out in 2016, and I'd be surprised if they manage to get it out in 2017 either. I think there's still a good amount of time left for Wii U owners.

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As long as they don't follow the PS4's weirdass idea of "in order to lower loading times, literally the entire game is installed to the hard drive and the disc is just used as copy protection". My 500GB model has less than half storage left, and I own a grand total of 2 "big" games.

Oh man, I was actually wondering about this. I can't believe that's for real, how ridiculous is that? I understand Blu-ray loading times are not where they should be but I think dumping EVERYTHING on the HDD is the wrong way to do it.

I sure hope Nintendo doesn't go digital only next gen. Doubtful, but you never know.

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It similar to how Sega said "The Sega Saturn isn't our future" and decided to release a follow up system four years later.

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It similar to how Sega said "The Sega Saturn isn't our future" and decided to release a follow up system four years later.

Or when Microsoft released the 360 four years after the release of the original Xbox. It's not unheard of, especially (in the case of the Saturn) when the console is a failure.

I'd say the whole E3 2013 thing was the most eerie Saturn-Sony parallel. The whole slamming the competition after they've spoken and releasing at a lower price point...

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Microsoft's game console history has always been eerily evocative of Sega's, after all...

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Well, I'm a big fan of the Wii U so all I hope for is that Nintendo can appeal to more people with the NX. All of my friends who got their own Wii U sold it. I guess it's really only good if you like Nintendo games like I do.

I somehow always end up falling in love with the consoles that were/are failures. The Saturn is one of my absolute favorites and so is the Wii U at this point. Anyways, I don't know if people predicting that Nintendo will fail/drop out of console manufacturing because of a few comparisons to Sega is entirely fair. There was A LOT going wrong for Sega, and I doubt the same thing will happen with Nintendo unless they make a whole slew of really bad mistakes. I think everyone knows that a surprise console launch is a very bad idea, for example. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

 

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