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On 2/22/2016 at 6:46 PM, appdirect said:

I would have preffered Jeff Dunham fuckdoll under a glass.

Or better yet, a Dunnie wearing the Beanie

The ultimate artistic statement about society

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Personally, as someone who's not really that well-versed in visual arts, I must say that works by artists such as Pollock or Malevich don't really do anything for me by themselves. It's learning about the historical and philosophical context, knowing what the artist wanted to accomplish and seeing what progress they made over time that makes their work come to life for me. The problem I have with that video (which is the same problem I have with most diatribes against modern art that I've seen) is how he completely omits the context behind the artworks that he shows and then expects people to judge them objectively. I know it's just a stupid YouTube video that one shouldn't expect to contain serious artistic criticism but it pisses me off.

That's just my two cents I guess.

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5 hours ago, Doom said:

Personally, as someone who's not really that well-versed in visual arts, I must say that works by artists such as Pollock or Malevich don't really do anything for me by themselves. It's learning about the historical and philosophical context, knowing what the artist wanted to accomplish and seeing what progress they made over time that makes their work come to life for me. The problem I have with that video (which is the same problem I have with most diatribes against modern art that I've seen) is how he completely omits the context behind the artworks that he shows and then expects people to judge them objectively. I know it's just a stupid YouTube video that one shouldn't expect to contain serious artistic criticism but it pisses me off.

That's just my two cents I guess.

I'm with you on that.

The first time I really started noticing that h3h3/Ethan and Hila were looking at source videos with something of a right-wing slant (which is what the whole "problem with modern art" thing comes from - it's a primarily right-wing reaction to left-wing cries for the continued funding of arts programs in the United States, associating Russian constructivism and post-WWII conceptual art with this belief that "if art is self-expression, then art by definition has to allow everything") was when they made fun of the girl who said that "air conditioning is sexist." Having taken the time and read the argument (women are more susceptible to colder temperatures, which lead to decreased productivity - in workplace situations, the AC is set to 65-68 degrees Fahrenheit, which is comfortable to me but not to a lot of women), I knew Ethan was mostly just going to use that video to rag on feminists like most popular YouTube personalities. JonTron stated that any analysis of potentially sexist content in video games is akin to the fearmongering that he was trying to mock in his "Food Games" review. The Amazing Atheist made his buck on becoming a hero for the alt-right, blabbering on about SJWs and how atheism is great.

And he did. He saw the girl in the same light a bunch of my Facebook friends saw Chanty "Big Red" Binx - just another loudmouth trying to police our behavior, they say. Just another stupid little feminist, they say.

The second video that got me thinking about his alt-right appeal is his little critique of body positivity videos. I know he's made a killing off of making fun of DJ Khaled's obesity and that whole "chub 'n tuck" thing he has going on when he wants to portray a sex offender or somebody with a poor taste in fashion. He doesn't take into consideration that there are people who have tried (and failed) to lose weight - and people who are genetically predispositioned to gain more weight than the average person (inb4 "muh genetics") - and that a lot of fitness culture has done the thing that Richard Simmons wanted to change in the first place: appeal to fit people and demean overweight and obese clientele because "they're not fit." He says that body positivity is a catch-all for "gain weight and be a lazyass who weighs as much as a house, we won't judge." Even body positivists will judge you. Body positivity is about living right with your body, but not getting shit because of your body type or the amount of fat you have. But nope, gotta make fun of DJ Khaled trying to lose weight because "that fucker gains another 20 pounds every time I see him!"

Ever since then, I have become convinced that Ethan and Hila aren't so much making fun of morons on the Internet anymore, but trying to act as Lonesome Rhodes/Glenn Beck types for their newfound alt-right fanbase. That's why you have that big drop-off in quality since making fun of SoFloAntonio stealing content. That and Ethan's introduced some activist-type segments on his show - i.e. the interviews with the viral video makers whose income has been taken entirely by SoFlo.

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Malk I feel like you’re really making a mountain out of a nonexistent molehill here.

Like, where at any point did Ethan or Hila make any claims to be appealing to any sort of political affiliation? The most we’ve ever seen of this is Ethan stating that he’s left-leaning in his “country for sociopaths by sociopaths” video but for the most part a vast majority of the videos he produces is taking the weird content from the internet (and the rest of the world) and combining it with Ethan’s own goofiness. Your argument seems to stem purely from the baseless claim that they’re “alt-right” appealing because they’re taking the piss out of minimalistic art pieces. I can understand not finding the video funny but absolutely nowhere is it meant to be assumed that Ethan and Hila are completely dismissing this type of art as a whole. I mean, fucking hell, Hila makes her living off of being an artist, they're not saying all art is bad or that we shouldn't be funding art museums. 

A majority of the humor to be found in their videos is just highlighting the absurdities that they come across in a loving manner, coupled with self-deprecation. The video I just recently posted is pretty clear evidence of that, with Ethan explaining how he overcame his self-consciousness issues and is now able to make a complete ass of himself online for the world to see. These really aren’t the types of videos to be taking so seriously. Calling them “Glenn Beck types” for making fun of a large, narcissistic rapper is completely absurd.

 

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47 minutes ago, Cantfly said:

Calling them “Glenn Beck types” for making fun of a large, narcissistic rapper is completely absurd.

In reference to their continual targeting of strawmen targeted by the alt-right (i.e. body positivity videos, feminists, modern art aesthetics), not because of SoFlo or DJ Khaled or the weirdos who take themselves way too seriously.

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Malk I feel like you’re really making a mountain out of a nonexistent molehill here.

I'd prefer it if people stopped using the name "Malk." That name makes me think of some really bad times I had.

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Ethan is an asshole. Most people who are funny are...name me somebody funny who isn't a total dick. That's fine. His videos are obviously not for you if you can't tell he's being a total cock for goofs. He is going to insult those people and more because it's funny. If you're into lighter fare than Ethan is really not for you, I'm sorry.

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Pretty sure that H3H3 being a degenerate isn't just a character, that's how he is, he eats Doritos every day.

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59 minutes ago, Cantfly said:

A majority of the humor to be found in their videos is just highlighting the absurdities that they come across in a loving manner, coupled with self-deprecation.

Except that doesn't mean that they can't necessarily project an agenda into their videos, and the modern art video is very clearly doing that.

And you can't dismiss it by saying "well they're assholes, that's just how they are," because Ethan has otherwise been appreciative of his audience in the past and has been seen communicating with some of the people he's done videos on. If you want someone who's trying to be funny just by being an asshole, then you'd have someone like Filthy Frank, who isn't funny at all anyway.

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Because he is playing an asshole for laughs. Good lord. I consider myself a good person but when I want to be funny, I turn into a dick because that's how it's done. Your mileage may vary. He's not like that day to day, like normally. There is no agenda. Like, him railing on Google Cardboard for being stupid and all that is the same concept. It didn't make me laugh because he's obviously ignorant (and apparently he put up a new video addressing it) but I knew he was just playing it for laughs. I didn't get upset, it's just what funny people do, they take the fruit and run with it.

As someone who has taken many modern art classes and been involved in that area, a lot of people have their head up their ass. I don't dismiss it though because I understand it and can see the context of that stuff - so again, ignorance on his behalf. It doesn't personally upset me, however; rude comedy is rude, after all.

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The point I'm trying to make is that Ethan's style of humor doesn't detract from the fact that the video is a stupidly shallow and narrow minded perspective of the subject. It's the same low-hanging fruit that's been picked tens of thousands of times by a bunch of internet-dwelling STEM undergrads giving themselves pats on the back. It's not funny or new or original in any way. If you need any evidence, take a glance at the YouTube comments or the video's reddit thread.

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I think it's also not out of the question to not expect absolutely everybody to have an eye for this type of art in the first place. This is separate from the video, but while there's always a context behind works of art like these, you can't expect everyone viewing it to understand or even agree with it. It doesn't devalue a work of art to have a negative perspective of something. If there's any real "message" to be taken out of the video I feel that it's pretty close to that. 

Not to mention that the topic of the video is so vague. He showcases particular pieces but it really does not speak on behalf of all material like that. And there really is no evidence in this video that suggests that Ethan is truly being dismissive of this entire genre. You can poke fun of something and not completely despise it at the same time. It's something that he does all the time. 

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Geez, all he did was goof on Jackson Pollock, it's not a big deal.

I'm an art student, and I enjoy going to museums, and I thought the video was hilarious. I got no problem with making fun of abstract paintings and simple pieces of art that go for millions upon millions of dollars.

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Thinking about it a little more, I guess my main problem with the art video was how the fans took it seriously, which is just another case of Internet personalities I like having shitty fans.

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After I found myself frequenting this channel more and more often, I finally gave in and subscribed. The only reaction channel that's transformative and enter-fucking-taining. 

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I think they had different ideas on what they wanted to do. He came in his schtick but Ethan was being himself, not  goofing and gaffing. That's where the disconnect is.

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